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Andy_TSOI - 30/06/2014 15:42:42
   
mutual agreement between IstructE and PRC NABER(S)
I have MIStructE and work in Hong Kong now, I would like to have the 1st class registered structural engineer registration in China, is there a mutual agreement between the two? I notice in 2014 there are 1st class registered structural engineer in China got MIStructE by mutual agreement with supplementary test, but I cannot  find the ways/information available how I can obtain 1st class registered structural engineer registration through mutual agreement. Anyone have advice/experience.

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Darren Byrne - 07/07/2014 09:40:50
   
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Andy

Further to your post I can confirm that at present there is no "Mutual" recognition agreement between the PQRC China (previously called NABERS) and the Institution.  Some years ago a mutual agreement was in place but the PQRC withdrew from this as the Chinese authorities wished to review their international agreements. 

There have been discussions in the intervening years and recently the Institution agreed that Class 1 Structural Engineers in China may apply for Chartered Membership by taking the supplementary examination and interview.  The Institution and PQRC continue to build their relationship and will continue to discuss mutual recognition in the future. However, for the time-being should you wish to gain Class 1 Structural Engineer status in China you will need to contact the PQRC to apply through the standard route. 

If you have further queries please feel free to contact the Membership Department.

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Ng Janet - 07/07/2014 12:13:22
   
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Hi Darren,

This reminds me the Mutual Agreement between IStructE and HKIE, the issue has been pending for more than two years and nothing have been updated since July 2012. Both institution saying that the discussions relating to the mutual agreement are still on-going. Is there any progress, or the agreement would not be resumed anymore? Any conclusion yet? 

As far as I know, the membership transfer from IStructE to HKIE was rejected for the candidates got their membership in 2013 in IStructE. HKIE is important for us to work in Hong Kong but IStructE is most re*****ble worldwide, It will be excellant for us if the mutual agreement is exist. It would be nightmare to take the structural exam twice in order to obtain both membership. 

Please advise the update information regarding the status of the discussion between IStructE and HKIE, so I can make a proper decision to choose which examination I should go for.

Janet

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Darren Byrne - 07/07/2014 12:39:16
   
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Janet

Thanks for the post.

I am afraid the on-going discussions with the HKIE have not as yet brought about a conclusion to the issue of the Mutual Recognition Agreement between the two organisations. Progress has been made and I am confident that we will see a resolution soon.  Proposals have been presented to the HKIE for discussion and we are awaiting feedback.

The notice on the website describes the issue - namely the recognition of candidates who took the HKIE examination in 2009-2011.

http://www.istructe.org/news-articles/2012/members-news/issues-of-membership-in-hong-kong

Please be assured that I recognise the importance of mutual recognition agreements and the Institution is doing everything possible to bring about a swift and successful conclusion to this matter.  We are very keen to ensure that candidates like yourself are not disadvantaged.  

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Darren

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Lai Tsoi - 07/07/2014 13:20:32
   
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Thanks Darren for the reply

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Darren Byrne - 07/07/2014 13:37:10
   
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Andy

Its a pleasure.  Please do stay in touch.  Agreements can develop over time and it is always worth checking periodically to see if the PQRC are willing to enter into a new Mutual Agreement.

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Darren

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Yang - 26/04/2015 03:20:19
   
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Darren,

just wonder if there is any update regarding Mutual agreemtn between IStructE and PQRC? is it prograssed well? it seems not make sense when China registered structure engineer could take supplymentray test to get IStructE member, but there is no similar route for UK structure engineer. 

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Yang 

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IPAccessUser - 27/04/2015 09:09:31
   
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Yang,

Thank you for your post.  Unfortunately, there have been no developments on the issue of "mutual" recognition with the PQRC. As such the Institution continues to operate a system whereby professionally registered Class 1 Structural Engineers may take the Institution's Supplementary Exam and Interview to become Chartered Structural Engineers.  Whilst a mutual agreement is normally the preferred option, the Institution cannot determine membership policy within other organisations.  It would be contrary to our vision of being an inclusive, worldwide, institution if we refused to recognise the competence of other structural engineers who have been tested within their own jurisdiction. We will continue to work with authorities around the world to explore ways in which the mobility and recognition of engineers may be facilitated.

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Darren   

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Ng Janet - 01/05/2015 09:28:30
   
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Hi Darren,

How about the mutual agreement between IStructE and HKIE ? Any progress so far? It has pending for more than 3 years.

Janet

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Darren Byrne - 01/05/2015 10:00:40
   
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Janet

Thanks for the post.  The short answer is no.  We have not made progress in signing a new agreement.  The area of continued difficulty concerns the issue of retrospective application. Whilst the Institution has made it clear that comparability from 2012 onwards is possible, the examinations in the three years 2009-2011 were not suitably comparable.  The Institution has proposed different mechanisms in which the competence of candidates who passed the HKIE exam in the period 2009-2011 may be confirmed e.g. via a desktop review and possibly interview, but these proposals have not been accepted by the HKIE. We put further suggestions to the HKIE in October 2014 and await their response or indeed proposals from the HKIE as to how they wish to progress this matter.


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